Yeah we could do all that or we could:

1. Get in tank
2. Massacre everything in sight, no thinking or teamwork required.

Or, when you try that, realize getting behind him means getting past 1/3 of his team, half of who have proto AV nades and have an ichy finger to throw every last one at you.

Not that you'll care because you'll be moving so fast the nades won't even register. Lol

all credibility lost in the first few words. congratulations. you are, just another average tank driver that is biased and stuck in his tunnelvision dreamworld.

additionally your memory seems to be really bad, it were the tank drivers whining all around how their tanks are not able to solo entire squads like an average CoD kid math and vids of matches shown months ago that a tank can survive a single proto swarm for 20 seconds, some people in dust uni can but those allmighty self-appointed pros could not, the irony.

there were obvious problems, like roof forges due to map design, too fast scaling AV weaponry and core mechanics but none of them were really fixed, all the problems were now shifted to tanks itself. you do not need to have a magic crystal ball to see what will happen now, CCP will realise the mistake, swing the nerfhammer really hard and you will be begging to get 1.6 back.

final notes:
my tank is now cheaper than a full proto suit fit but is practically invincible to infantry and takes alot of effort to take down and I dont even use the bugged militia nitro, I am plenty fast without it. the only counter I have is other tanks. its like playing rock paper scissor with the difference that rocks only die to other rocks. I know what I will be picking only rocks now.

You know something is wrong when your most effective way to kill a tank is a LAV packed with remotes...while there are AV weapons in this game...

1. I don't argue the range nerf to swarms was ok for me the damage nerf was a bit too much but I guess this could change.

2. The PLC? Even most who use the PLC with great success admit its more an AI weapon than an AV weapon and horribly UP (but fun as hell to use) - FG has been AI for howlong? its not classed as AV either

3. currently even militia tanks shrugg of Proto Av and thats a bit problematic what will happen once advanced or proto hulls are available? (stupid concept to give proto AV but only std hulls) - Ask CCP, maybe when proto hulls arrive it all gets bumped up, who knows?

4. Area of denial - I would agree that would be a solution but the problem is the AV guy don't get a reward for repelling a tank and currently tanks come back too fast so its either kill or nothing don't blame the AVler for that. - Give back pts then like they once did

5. Invisible swarms is a bad thing and CCP should have solved this ages ago ;/ - Not as bad now, plus i can see the guy now

6. Teamwork - well shouldn't this be true for both sides? Why do tankers want AV to require Teamwork while wrecking havoc solo? Teamwork worked for tanks in 1.6 a Tank supported by Infantry was quite dangerous but I think its too much to ask for tankers to bring infantry with them, But wait now tankers say we should bring in tanks to stop tanks - This logic is amusing -
I dont wreck solo, im in a group with mics always finidng out what that enemy bolas dropped and if any tanks/AV is about

7. Communication - see 6 apart from that sure

8. Traps see 6 - Why should I have to organise a trap when you can drive around in your tank uncontested - makes no sense - Alpha damage, if you cant see the benefits of a trap then what can i say

9. Forge you are right we have two (or three if you count the PLC as AV) AV weapons where only one is viable to counter Vehicles, so CCP should simply remove the swarms and refund the SP - Swarms still have uses, i still see them getting kills, its how you use the weapon

10. regarding the nitro bug its the same with the invisible swarms and I don't expect any solution soon I know it's not the tankers fault but it is stupid, screwing balance and I expect this to last on for a while but maybe CCP will surprise me - Nitro is easier to hotfix than the swarms

another proof of lack of credibility.

PC aka photoslideshow 514, is definately the answer to everything

So tell me again.

Why should. I use AV for AV when an HAV does the job better again?

How do you destroy a vehicle that you can't damage without it escaping. (Even without the lolnitous vehicles move too fast for AV).

Also, the hardner on shielded vehicle needs to be away brighter. The white color causes the aura to blend in to the point where you have to stare directly at the vehicle to see if it's hardners are on.

Can't say I didn't expect this from you.

You can't balance vehicles and AV for a game mode that the majority of the playerbase doesn't participate in, nor could participate in if they wanted to.

That's like balancing ARs around the Ambush gamemode

I could say the same about the people QQing about the llolrendering glitch on Swarm Launchers. It's ironic how these same people are the ones saying to calm down about the lolnitous bug. (Which doesn't matter because even without the MLT NOS bug vehicles still move way too fast.

You still haven't answered the question, so I'll do it for you.

Currently, there is no good reason that anyone can supply me as to why I should use my AV instead of my HAV.

A Sica/Soma has the capacity of 2 PRO AV. That's a problem.

And lol the aura around hardnened shielded vehicles barely renders past 15m. Even SLs rendered past 15m.

not to mention a tank is cheaper than the proto AV suit required to even bother a tank.

Regarding your answers:

to 2) Regarding the PLC its really a poor AV weapon and thats the reason it is used against Infantry (and ist rarely used overall). The reason is simply the damage is not very high for an AV weapon considering the HP you can have without modules, it needs to reload after every shot, has a stupid charge and a rather slow projectile that has an arc (well the thing with the arc is it makes not much sense to me but this is rather a personal thing^^) - It is very skill based and does need a good buff, the damage is good but its the reload time which kills it in my view and its only has 1 shot, speed of proj was sped up recently but maybe a good overall buff will bring it up

to 3) As I said a stupid concept

to 4) this could work but still repelling a tank should have an effect that last longer than a few seconds

to 5) Still a stupid Bug that shold be resolved a long time ago

to 6) This was not meant as a personal attack, but there are more than enough tankers that want to run solo and expect AV to rely on teamwork - Could say back in 1.6 and well before it was the other way around with AV being solo and not wanting teamwork

to 8) I know the benefit of a trap and I have done this before :). But there is the problem with scalability why should I have to organise a trap that involves multiple AV guy and there takes a way more than one gun. While a tank drive without to really care if there is Infantry based resistance or not. Apart from that trapping is a situational thing and if your sense of balance relies to a soltution that works just on occasion...well - Its an option, use tools for the job and what you got, 2man trap isnt hard tbh and frankly it doesnt have to be complicated but like i said its an option

to 9) I know exactly how to use the Swarm and I was nearly always close to tanks when I killed them (because I know all the drawbacks of swarm as well) but currently this weapon is not worth the risk of beeing slaugthered by any other infantrymen. Especially with the new rifles. Sneaking up a tank and throw RE's or plasterring a LAV with RE's seems more reliable currently. - Swarms got changed because 400m covered the entire map, also renedring issues did it solve it well im not so sure since my rail can see everyting at 600m at least so rendering does seem to be fixed but not by reducing the swarm range since i see missiles further out also, plus we still have small maps and the missiles themselves go past the lock range btw

to 10) Hmm CCP has a tendency for taking their time even with simple fixes so again I don't expect any solution soon but hey as I said may be CCP surprises me here ^^ - Cant be any longer than 6+months with AV and swarms

how often do you want to point out that you have zero credibility... you do need not the best tank with proto mods to kill other tanks, you point is again null and void.

to 2) So we agree the PLC is UP and not very viable as AV weapon ^^

to 6) Its easy 1 person should be able to fight of 1 tank as long as 1 person is enough to have a tank fully operable and the teamsize is fixed. I admit AV was on the upper hand in 1.6 but not nearly as far as many tanker said. I had quite some challanging duels but I had easy kills as well. So in genral I am not against the rebalance its just the coin flipped from one side to the other and both is bad for the game.

to 8) To have options is a good thing relieing on them a bad.

to 9) I think the range nerf is ok and deserved but the damage nerf was a bit too much overall.

I think most points are up to CCP as it is their game we can only provide feedback based on experience and personal opinions.

There is no matchmaking whatsoever in this game. (And no Scotty does not count)

That still doesn't change the fact that you can't balance things based on PC, as not everyone plays the PC gamemode.

What you can do is balance around all of the gamemodes though.

Nope.

Balance around PC is even worse because it assumes that everyone is always running Tier III or Tier IV gear.

It also assumes that everyone is always squaded up, and constantly communicating.

It also assumes that everyone is trying their hardest to succeed.

Which is hardly the case in PUB matches.

A solid post Takahiro. As the author of the Swarm Launcher guide I support your message. Now if only I could get into a match that had some tanks in it so I could properly assess the current state of the Swarm Launcher and determine the best tactics under these new conditions.

This is where CCP really f'd over those of us that have proto SLs.
1. Range--I wouldn't mind the reduction to damage if it wasn't coupled with the fact that SL range has been excessively reduced. Hopefully this is CCP's starting point for giving us variety in SLs that offer weaker swarms with longer ranges vs. more powerful swarms with reduced range. This leads to

2. Speed--even without the nitro bug, how difficult is it going to be for a tank to escape the 175 yard lock-on range of swarms now? You're looking at maybe two or three volleys that can be fired before you escape...but combined with the nerf to SL damage, 2 or 3 volleys shouldn't worry anyone, particularly when

3. Hardeners--an active hardener scoffs at anything infantry can throw at it, aside from a heavy-duty FG.

In essence, to utilize my SL I now have to run into the thick of battle (assuming that tanks aren't wandering around in the wilderness,) wait for the tank to let down it's hardeners and pray that the driver magically forgets where the gas pedal is as soon as the first volley hits; otherwise, I then have to either chase him down (please note the difference in speeds) or else learn how to dodge bullets while waiting for the tank to come back into range.

Honestly, CCP just needed to make small tweaks to SL damage and lower the cost of militia tanks (and fix the invisible swarms) and things would have been alright.

I just see another entitlement thread from a princess tanker who thinks he deserves to dominate because he's driving a tank.



Any tank could kill any infantry, lav, installation, or even another tank in seconds, but you want to try and convince us that someone who has equipped theirself for the specific cause of taking you down and then got the drop on you, shouldn't be allowed to do the same to you. I question your intelligence, but thank you for your post. It might help a noob or two.



If you have everything maxed out, then you may get up to 500k for a tank, but I doubt most people are spending that. last build my standard LAV+suit was over 400k, and if I ran with a proto turret, it was over 600k. So why do you think I shouldn't be able to solo a tank? You get to solo me and everyone else on the map?

how the hell did tankers adapt to anything? They still pranced around pointing and clicking on everything in sight and then ran to the red zone and red line sniped when someone was shooting at them. They need to take off their skirts and fight, otherwise they have no room to b****.

Tanks can still be solo'd, but it's mostly because there are so many stupid tankers out here now that don't know what they're doing. And then there are people like me who don't do anything but look for tanks to be at there weak point.

All this interesting and good advice on how to kill tanks. When will see unedited video footage of these tactics, will we see this interesting ad good advice in action?


I have yet to see it on the battlefield.

So what are your opinions on making vehicles require teamwork?

I'm surprised that so many tankers are happy that their profession has become so noob friendly. One of the only skills left is to not be completely terrible, and even that seems to be getting lenient

First of all anyone that was a worthwhile AVer even before 1.7 waited until active modules were down. Second tell me when AV got a buff in the last 6 months because I've been using AV since the E3 build and the only change the swarm launcher and the FG have ever received was what happened in 1.7? (And the nerf to swarms so they couldn't dumbfire anymore that happened back in closed beta but yea they haven't been buffed tanks just got nerfed in uprising) Third the crap rendering wasn't my fault it's CCPs. I didn't know when I was shooting invisible swarms. I do agree the swarms range needed a nerf but 175m is too much.

My BPO infantry suit isn't immune to all small arms fire and can't counter almost all threats on the field.

You might as well compare a Japanese giant hornet to a gnat.

While I think they went a little too far with the tweaks on both sides.. I like how tanks are a factor again. Its annoying to have to switch to AV to kill them :(

I didn't know about the bug that was causing the crazy speed I have seen in 1.7, so I am glad that will be fixed soonTM.

Once that crazy speed is gone balance will again be restored.

P.S. OP.. you come off like a douchebag lol. I know the shoe hasn't been on your foot for a long time, but now that you are OP do you really have to sit there and relish in it? Just be quiet and enjoy your godmode for now lol.

Clearly your humility needs a buff.

Be careful with the PLC buff. It already hits hard. The PLC works well when used correctly as an area denial weapon or as a close AV weapon. If I was a better shot I would ruin more dropships but I can barely hit them with the PLC. Much like the LR the PLC is difficult to use and a niche weapon.